user 1341766
Posted Jul 8, 2006 3:21 PM
user 1341766
Dallas, TX
Post #: 9
What if there was a movement to help Muslim become free from the bondage of their programed life style and given the opportunity to explore other belief systems and/or make educated choices comcerning their life and/or death (future). This author is looking for ways to reach Muslim to offer freedom from intimidation and the opportunity to live life to it's fullest. What better way to formulate a strategy than to visit with former Muslim. I suggest an open forum where everyone has the opportunity to freely voice their views and suggestions and to reach a consensus based on compassionate concern for their Muslim brotherhood.

We call it "Muslim Freedom".

Please post your comments and/or suggestions to the message board.
sid
Posted Jul 25, 2007 10:36 AM
mamaZ0
Murfreesboro, TN
Post #: 411
Actually there is 'No Compulsion in Religion' according to Islam, one is Free to follow whatever school of thought one prefers. A True religion can uphold itself as in this interesting case of John Alexander Dowie.
He was a Scot, born in Edinburgh, who had trained for the ministry and emigrated to Australia. There he gained a reputation for healing. In 1888 he moved to the United States and, in 1901, started building a city in Illinois which he called Zion City.
What i wanted to say was Mr. Dowie lost a 'prayer duel' to the Promised Messiah. (1903 to 1907) ... thereby showing the power of prayer OF THE MESSIAH / MAHDI
The exchange was covered by not only the Herald, but by a number of other newspapers of the United States, such as:

* The Chicago Inter Ocean, June 28, 1903
* The Telegraph, July 5, 1903
* The Literary Digest, June 20, 1903
* The New York Mail & Express, June 25, 1903
* The Herald Rochester, June 25, 1903
* The Record Boston, June 27, 1903
* The Advertiser Boston, June 25, 1903
* The Pilot Boston, June 27, 1903
* The Pathfinder Washington, June 27, 1903
* The Detroit English News, June 27, 1903
* The Democratic Chronicle Rochester, June 25, 1903
* The Burlington Free Press, June 27, 1903
* The Albany Press, June 25, 1903
* The Baltimore American, June 28, 1903
* The Buffalo Times, June 25, 1903
* The Groomshire Gazette, July 17, 1903
* The Houston Chronicle, July 3, 1903
* The Trichmond News, July 1, 1903
* The Argunaut San Francisco, Dec. 1, 1903

Dowie had claimed to be the forerunner of the second coming of Christ. Dowie was particularly hard on Muslims, whom he felt that Christ would return and destroy. Ahmad, a Muslim, had claimed to be Christ in the spirit [as well as "Imam Mahdi], who would establish the "final victory of Islam" in earth. When Ahmad heard of Dowie's claim, he challenged him to a prayer duel, in the following words, which represent a small excerpt:

"If the pretender to Elijahship shows his willingness by any direct or indirect means to enter the lists against me, he shall leave the world before my eyes with great sorrow and torment. These...signs are particularly for Europe and America. Ah! That they ponder over them and benefit by them." [Herald]

Dowie replied,

"People sometimes say to me, 'Why do you not reply to this, that and the other thing?' Reply! Do you think that I shall reply to the gnats and flies. If I put my foot on them I would crush out their lives. I give them a chance to fly away and live." [Herald]

Between the years 1903 and 1907, as reported in American newspapers, Dowie's life deteriorated steadily. One scandal followed another. He fell to alcoholism. His family and friends abandoned him, and he eventually lost his mind and died in a miserable state. The Boston Herald reported:

"Dowie died with his friends fallen away from him and his fortune dwindled. He suffered from paralysis and insanity. He died a miserable death, with Zion City torn and frayed by internal dissensions.

"Mirza comes forward frankly and states that he has won his challenge, or 'prediction.'" [Herald]

The title of the Sunday Herald of Boston article is: Great is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Messiah: Fortold Pathetic end of Dowie and now He Predicts Plague, Flood and Earthquake."
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